Trevor Shackles: What else can Pierre Dorion do? After Erik Karlsson is traded, what else can Dorion to with the Senators roster?

Resign.

So Jack Hughes is gonna look solid in an Avs sweater I guess.

i thought that one of the things that the sens were considering was getting rid of bobby ryans contract. if that is the case, dont the knights or devils make the most sense? The knights have a ton of draft picks over the next 2+ years. Not only do they have their 1st round pick for the next 3 years but they also have 6 second round picks and 4 third round picks. They have 10 picks in the upcoming draft alone. they also have a lot of goalies (Fleury, subban, dansk, legace).

What about:

1st round pick in 2019, 2nd round pick in 2020, william karlsson and dansk (or subban) for karlsson and ryan.

Jack Hughes to the Avs. That was a nice comment!!

So Jack Hughes is gonna look solid in an Avs sweater I guess.
- FinnGod

You win the originality price. Congrats and (frank) off!

If the team stays in Ottawa. I am not liking their chances at this point. Location, location, location. Or should I say relocation? Unfortunate circumstance

NO way White plays on the 4th line - that's lazar all over again.

Also yes, that is a horrible line up (beyond Stone, and some depth guys like Pageau being in the right spots)

Resign.
- SolGoode

i thought that one of the things that the sens were considering was getting rid of bobby ryans contract. if that is the case, dont the knights or devils make the most sense? The knights have a ton of draft picks over the next 2+ years. Not only do they have their 1st round pick for the next 3 years but they also have 6 second round picks and 4 third round picks. They have 10 picks in the upcoming draft alone. they also have a lot of goalies (Fleury, subban, dansk, legace).

What about:

1st round pick in 2019, 2nd round pick in 2020, william karlsson and dansk (or subban) for karlsson and ryan.
- i'mjustafan

William isn't going anywhere

The Rangers already have their backup goalie to Hank, provided that he doesn't lose the job in training camp to some other top prospect. That is NHL ready prospect in Alexander Georgiev, who unless for better benefit, will not be dealt by them for now, even if he should fail to make the Pro roster. In fact, some feel the Rangers may want him to start regularly by gaining a lot of regular minor league starting experience which he has not yet had enough of. That, despite his very successful .918 Save% in 9 NHL starts coming mostly in March in place of their injured backup in Pavelec, and to also give Lundqvist a break from their disastrous season.
All of Georgiev's starts came after they had dealt off their key players at the trade deadline to begin their rebuild, with the team still being in disarray under A.V., as it was for most of their playoff less season. The Rangers would not want Craig Anderson while under their rebuild, for the same reason why Pavelec wasn't offered a new contract, with his play being unfair to judge, given the many issues the Rangers had last season. I also believe the downfall in Anderson's play last season, with his .898 Save% was not all his fault, and was due not only to the struggles Ottawa had as the Rangers did, but also the situation with his wife's struggle with cancer, possibly affecting his thinking and concentration at times.

I think you're neglecting what comes back from an EK65 trade to soften the blow. Since the speculation has gone on this long, I take that as a good thing, and maybe that Dorion isn't accepting lowballs.

From Tampa, i have to guess they'd be asking for Sergachev.

From Dallas, it's Heiskanen.

From Vegas, it's Glass.

Or maybe they'll come to their senses if the perceived returns are low, and increase their extension offer to Karlsson. If he'd even accept at this point.

There's still opportunity to save face here, it's why we're all walking on eggshells until it happens.

As the lineup stands now though, we have no 2nd line. Not sure if that gets resolved in this trade.

No problem paying Gaborik or Ryan their expensive overpriced salary... but giving the Hall Of Famer whatever he wants, is stretching it.

I think you're neglecting what comes back from an EK65 trade to soften the blow. Since the speculation has gone on this long, I take that as a good thing, and maybe that Dorion isn't accepting lowballs.

From Tampa, i have to guess they'd be asking for Sergachev.

From Dallas, it's Heiskanen.

From Vegas, it's Glass.

Or maybe they'll come to their senses if the perceived returns are low, and increase their extension offer to Karlsson. If he'd even accept at this point.

There's still opportunity to save face here, it's why we're all walking on eggshells until it happens.

As the lineup stands now though, we have no 2nd line. Not sure if that gets resolved in this trade.
- sportsdataguy

I'd be fine with Colin Miller, Schmidt and a 1st/Suzuki from Vegas. Don't need Glass and then we have some decent defense back.

Heiskanen is a must. Sergachev also not necessarily if Foote, Katchouk and/or Raddysh can be involved.

Have a feeling that it's more about what Karlsson wants, and apparently he wants to play as many games as possible against Hoffman each year.

No problem paying Gaborik or Ryan their expensive overpriced salary... but giving the Hall Of Famer whatever he wants, is stretching it.
- Razzdazzle1

Gaborik is a problem, but less than Phaneuf

Listened a bit to local Ottawa sports radio and they were clearly pushing down on the Karlsson trade stories. Not going to happen soon, all options are being reconsidered seems to be the new storyline.

Also talked about alternatives based on new ownership coming forward sooner rather than later.

New development around the adjoining LeBretton and Bayside stations is going to exceed $8b. The development of the new downtown arena is around 7% of the aggregate development cost.

Melnyk wants to be a lead player. But, nobody is going to lend money to this massive scale of project if it is led by Melnyk. So, my guess, the fans are are prisoners in this war of attrition between Melnyk (who is broke) and huge monied interests that are anxious to move forward.

Karlsson is a pawn in the larger game. Probably a casualty. Melnyk is playing chicken with the developers, the corporate supporters and the entire fan base. Karlsson is a secondary story. Our lead is the banishment of Melnyk.

What are the chances Karlsson gets a Better return through the year than now?

A 1st will Be coming back, but after that, prospects? No contender is going to want to strip a player, a bubble team may sacrifice to try & get to the playoffs but again would be reluctant to trade a player. But, maybe a team like Dallas would roll the dice & hand over Heiskenen (s) just to get to the playoffs. Same with segachev & Tampa. Needing that's extra push those players may be seen as extendable to get the short term profit as crazy as that may be. Pressure doesn't strange things.

And why did the Sens trade for Duchene? To replace Turris?

I'd be fine with Colin Miller, Schmidt and a 1st/Suzuki from Vegas. Don't need Glass and then we have some decent defense back.

Heiskanen is a must. Sergachev also not necessarily if Foote, Katchouk and/or Raddysh can be involved.

Have a feeling that it's more about what Karlsson wants, and apparently he wants to play as many games as possible against Hoffman each year.
- DutchSenators

Is that actually true? I joked the other day about that.

That could actually blow up In his face. The Panthers will be better this season, & as good as Tampa is on paper, Cooper is still the coach.

So Jack Hughes is gonna look solid in an Avs sweater I guess.
- FinnGod

I suspect he'll look good in any sweater, just not Ottawa's.

I suspect he'll look good in any sweater, just not Ottawa's.
- sportsdataguy

Jack Hughes is 5’8” and weighs 150 lbs.

What are the chances Karlsson gets a Better return through the year than now?

A 1st will Be coming back, but after that, prospects? No contender is going to want to strip a player, a bubble team may sacrifice to try & get to the playoffs but again would be reluctant to trade a player. But, maybe a team like Dallas would roll the dice & hand over Heiskenen (s) just to get to the playoffs. Same with segachev & Tampa. Needing that's extra push those players may be seen as extendable to get the short term profit as crazy as that may be. Pressure doesn't strange things.

And why did the Sens trade for Duchene? To replace Turris?
- Aussiepenguin

I think it was seen as a small upgrade, but also an alternative after Melnyk didn't want to negotiate with Turris' agent.

Jack Hughes is 5’8” and weighs 150 lbs.
- spatso

HockeyDB has him at 5'10" and 157 lbs, but he's also 17. Are you trying to deflect envy by saying we shouldn't want him? I mean, that ship has sailed, but he looks to be a franchise player.

I think it was seen as a small upgrade, but also an alternative after Melnyk didn't want to negotiate with Turris' agent.
- sportsdataguy

I think i saw someone say in here the other day that Dorian was negotiating with Duchene? Is that something that will happen, or is he getting traded away for prospects?

I think i saw someone say in here the other day that Dorian was negotiating with Duchene? Is that something that will happen, or is he getting traded away for prospects?
- Aussiepenguin

Who bloody-well knows at this point. The linchpin is Karlsson. Based on the return for him, we're either in a rebuild or a fringe bubble team, with two stacked teams in our division.

And if the return is sub-par, look for other players like Stone and Duchene to want out as well. Dorion HAS to get this decision right, or just admit the rebuild is in full swing.

HockeyDB has him at 5'10" and 157 lbs, but he's also 17. Are you trying to deflect envy by saying we shouldn't want him? I mean, that ship has sailed, but he looks to be a franchise player.
- sportsdataguy

When your a year out before the draft I look at size and birthdate. He is a May birthday (okay) but he has small structure. Lots of little guys have been dominate scorers in minor and junior hockey only to hit a wall when they step up to the pro ranks. Hughes’ has had spectacular numbers. Let’s see how they look this coming year when he steps up and plays against bigger stronger teams.